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#21 cegorach

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 02:56 PM

All right I have registered.

Please, tell me what exactly is the timeframe of your mod and I will provide you with the reliable Polish roster. :)


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#22 Belisarivs

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Posted 15 September 2006 - 10:38 PM

Hm, I thought about timeframe 1070 - 1492. I'm uncertain about it, though. If someone will want to change it, I can reconsider it.
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#23 cegorach

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 05:34 PM

In that case the roster is quite simple , but I have to divide it into 3 periods which can be treated as early, medium and really advanced units.
Anyway here it is:

The earliest times where the army was still with many old Slavic traits - quite weak cavalry and good light infantry.



Cavalry

Jazda Pancerna ( Mail-clad Horsemen) - Duke's/King's early knights - not so powerful as real knights, but more disciplined,


Infantry

Lucznicy ( Archers) - bowmen were considered very dangerous part of early Polish armies, were armed with dangerous longbows, but it required some time to train such in later periods,

Tarczownicy - ( 'Shielded') - spearmen with spears, light infantry, but with powerful pounch and some decent defence,




Medium period - army was westernised with all the usual stuff like Knights etc,


Cavalry


Rycerze ( Knights) - nothing unique,

Mazowiecka Konnica ( Masovian Cavalry) - medium-light cavalry with mch similarity to Lithuanian and Rus cavalry (cavalry pavise shields), agile and hard-hitting were not equal of the powerful knights, but had enough power to deal with most enemies on their own,


Infantry

Kusznicy ( Crossbowmen) - also as usual,

Wlocznicy ( Spearmen) - as above,



Advanced units - late XVth century Polish army was slowly abandoning old knightly cavalry and similar supporting infantry - the core of the army was the new professional infantry and cavalry. Army was created after suprising defeat from the Teutonic Order's army at Chojnice and started virtually undisturbed 200 years long period of victories over all manner of foes.


Cavalry

Kopijnicy ( Lancers) - heavy Men-at-arms armed with long lances, warhammers and swords and equipped with excellent gothic armour.

Strzelcy ( Shooters) - crossbow (later bow and handgun) armed cavalry supporting Kopijnicy and lighter mobile cavalry with their mobile firepower.

Racowie - light cavalry armed with lances and curved shields - early Hussars who slowly replaced Kopijnicy in later decades.


Infantry

Draby - Hussite style infantry armed primary with crossbows, handguns and bows with over 60% in each ten equipped missile weaponry with at least one pavise armed and one heavily armoured pikeman.

Polish infantry were mainly from Bohemia providing much of the employement for Hussite mercenaries making the wars in later XVth century the last Hussite wars but they were used almost only to provide firepower, in sieges, in garrison duties and sometime to clear difficult terrain in close combat, cavalry was the hammer of the army - infantry remained it anvil.



Ships and artillery

Basically the same as in western europe, but with 2 notes:

- galleys were not used, but other Northern and Baltic Sea ships,

- Poland had one of the most modern artillery train in the late XVth century - useful to besiege numerous Prussian castles of the Teutonic Order and also started using artillery very quickly with several pieces in early XVth century,


That shouldbe good enought.



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#24 Belisarivs

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Posted 16 September 2006 - 06:30 PM

Cool.

Did Polish use some sort of troops specialised in ambushes and so (like assassins and so, these could be perhaps good addition to the game).

Could you also provide some pictures or links, please?
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 08:13 PM

Just dropping in real quick to say these mod announcements and discussions are pretty cool. I really want our site to become a sort of nexus for this type of thing, especially since our game is aimed at modders and the online community. :)
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#26 cegorach

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Posted 17 September 2006 - 08:45 AM

[quote name='Belisarivs' date='Sep 16 2006, 08:30 PM' post='175143']
Cool.

[quote]Did Polish use some sort of troops specialised in ambushes and so (like assassins and so, these could be perhaps good addition to the game).[/quote]




In earlier times there were probably some woodland scouts armed with bows, but later no specific units were used.

Of course it doesn't mean that suprise wasn't use as a decisive factor for example

at Swiecino in 1462 Polish cavalry attacked Teutonic horsemen and later disengaged them at signal, moved on side clearing the space between suprised Tutonic mercenaries and Hussiate infantry which shot them to pieces at very close range.


at Orsza in 1514 a unit of infantry was kept hidden on the right flank. They waited with handguns and cannons ready until they were given the order to fire. The sudden salvo smashed Russian cavalry there and allowed Lithuanian-Polish forces to smash them easily and win the entire battle - one of the worst defeats in Russian history.





[quote]Could you also provide some pictures or links, please?
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OK

early cavalry

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Knights

Legnica 1241

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Tannenberg 1410 - you have also foot crossbowman and the lithuanian cavalryman from the right is perfect for the Mazowiecka Konnica.

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Koronowo 1410

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Rac

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along the Tatar auxiliary rider

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and here those in red

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infantry very early - the guy with spear is good for Tarczownik but needs a shield.

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infantry - late

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Tell me if you need more. :)
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#27 Belisarivs

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Posted 19 September 2006 - 05:29 PM

Nice pictures.
If you wish, you can spam this thread with ideas, pics ... whatever. It will be welcommed.

There is my picture of improved Clibanarius.

I didn't have much time to work on it, so improvement isn't that significant.

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Posted 20 September 2006 - 01:53 AM

Arent you forgoting the winged hussars?
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#29 cegorach

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Posted 20 September 2006 - 07:06 AM

The mod ends in 1492, Husaria appeared in 1575-77 after earlier armoured Hussars ( improved Racowie) were reformed by Stephen Bathory. :D




@Belisarivs


I have a small request. I am preparing the additional campaign for the last edition of PMTW for MTW VI and I am adding Bohemian rebels of 1618-22 uprising.

I need couple of simple translations - plural and singular

Pikeman/men

Moravian Cavalry

Reiter/-s




-the full roster will be looking like this:

Musketyri

Pikemen (bodyguard unit)

Zemska Hotovost (infantry)

Zemska Hotovost (cavalry)

Reiters

Moravian Cavalry

+ various mercenaries, common and German units


Regards Cegorach :)

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#30 Belisarivs

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Posted 20 September 2006 - 07:08 AM

Arent you forgoting the winged hussars?

Not at all.
If I forgot them (which is very highly improbable), Cegorah wouldn't forget them at all.

Husaria belong to the 16th century, or so. This is perhaps timeframe of Colonial 0AD mod.

Edited by Belisarivs, 20 September 2006 - 07:09 AM.

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#31 Abadu

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Posted 20 September 2006 - 07:06 PM

I didnt know that
But some ideas for a new civ:
PORTUGAL:
Infantry:
Arcabuzeiro
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Piqueiro
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Besteiro do conto
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Cavalry:
Lanceiro de avis
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Cavaleiro de cristo(its a portuguese "officer",but it can give to us a idea for a look)
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Espingardeiro
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#32 Belisarivs

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 02:44 PM

Pikeman/men

Singular - Kopiník
Plural - Kopiníci

or

Singular - Pikanýr
Plural - Pikanýři

Both regard to Pikemen, but that latter regards to Picaneers. So, it would perhaps fit better.

Moravian Cavalry

Singular - Moravský jezdec
Plural - Moravští jezdci

Reiter/-s

Singular - Jezdec
Plural - Jezdci

Eventually (I'm not sure if it will fit the time frame) you could try translation of Hussar.

Singular - Husar
Plural - Husaři

If you see screwed text instead of Czech symbols, you could try to use UTF-8 or Latin2 (iso8859-2) encoding.
Or just report it.
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#33 Belisarivs

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 02:49 PM

To Abadu:

Cool pics, but count with fact, that time starts around 1000. So perhaps some early stage units won't hurt.

Personally, I don't like gunpowder units. I'm thinking about making game end sooner than those become more widespread.

This would also perhaps solve tiny problem with Hussite soldiers fighting on Polish side (it isn't ahistorical, but actually I'm not in love with idea of Hussites serving in Polish army and not servig in Bohemian, both are real but make it somehow weird).
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 09:12 PM

Well,the great problem is to find early portuguese units,but i will try,in fact,the portuguese used many arquebuisers(arcabuzeiro) early,so,have them wont hurt
But more ideas for portugal:
arqueiro(archer)
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Find pictures of portuguese soldiers is very hard,so i will post oficers and kings to we base units:
D Afonso Henrique,portuguese king(cavaleiro de cristo)
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D. Nun’Álvares Pereira(some pikeman/axeman/maceman)
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A portuguese knight(lanceiro)
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Afonso V,portuguese king(cavaleiro)
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Ships:
Caravela
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Nau
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Posted 23 September 2006 - 07:13 PM

Other civs:
MONGOLS:
Keshik guards
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Light horseman
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Heavy cavalry
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Bowman
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Spearman
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Swordsman(psiloi)
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Siege Weapon(Trebuchet?)
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Horse Archers
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Halberdier
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Golden Horde
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Buildings(to base):
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SARACENS:
Camel Warrior
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Saracen cavalry
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Spearman
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Heavy cavalry
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this are stealed from TW series:

heavy cavalry
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Heavy infantry(axeman)
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light cav,light inf,spearman and cav archer
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Pikeman
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Lancers
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Ghazi infantry
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Kumah cavalry
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Hashishin
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Royal cavalry
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Mamluk Junior Askars
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Mamluk Abtal Askar
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Nubian infantry
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Sudanese javelineer
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ITALIAN(venice)
Condottieri general bodyguards
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Elmeti(name taked from AOE III)
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Stradiot
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Militia crossbowman
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Handgunners
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City militia
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Halberdier
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Targeteers
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Aragonese
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Bombard
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Genoese crossbowman
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Knight
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Light cavalry
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Longbow
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Auxilia
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Crossbowman
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Spearman
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Pikeman
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Swordsman
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#36 Belisarivs

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Posted 24 September 2006 - 05:53 AM

To Abadu:
Good job. You perform cool research.
Now lets make some models. :)

Could you please post just links to the larger images? Those pics are nice ingeed, but they make heavy load for server 0AD is in (keep in mind that this thread is visited quite often).

I mean, I like these images, but webmaster won't.

If I could ask you to look also for origial names. I mean, I'm not into naming arabic units by english names (like heavy cavalry or so).
Just if you managed to find some real names.

No more civs need to be done for now. I will have enough work to do. Thank you for work.

I'd like also to know how upgrades will be in game (but I know that you can't answer me). Whether it will be like in TW series where units simply existed in certain epochs or whether it is like in AoK.

Just curious, are you skilled/interested in 3d modelling and texturing?

If yes, perhaps you could give a Blender a try. Personally, it would be greatly appreciated. I'm not much advanced modeller and I will perhaps modell everything alone.

Well modelling isn't that hard. But texturing is actually much harder. Just take some painting tool for it and you have ll necessary equipment.

But model needs to be done before, it must be unwrapped so texture fits on it well. Then texture template needs to be exported. Afther this you can edit that template and then put it on model.

Perhaps you could contact me via jabber and ask or give me some ideas.
Unfortunatelly, I will be active mostly at weekends due to university studies.

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Posted 24 September 2006 - 07:31 AM

*whew* That was a lot of image links. I replaced the images in Abadu's posts with links to the images.

Guys, please try not to post more than a few images in a post, at least until we add an automatic image resizer to the forum. Thanks.
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Posted 24 September 2006 - 02:39 PM

Can you please make it in the colonial mod topic to?or at least,how i turn the pictures in links?

EDIT:Belisarvs:unfortunaly,im not good at modeling :) ,i already tried to use the blender,but i dont know what the "small words" make,i can only make a line and spin the original circle in blender :D
But do you have a site where i can learn how to use the blender?

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Posted 25 September 2006 - 06:50 AM

Yeah, I'd like to learn how to use Blender too. I downloaded it today. Apparently it's meant to be really easy, but right now I'm quite confused, to say the least. :)

For now, I am following this book: http://en.wikibooks....3D:_Noob_to_Pro

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Posted 25 September 2006 - 01:09 PM

Yeah. FirePowa8, you made good point.
That was what I started with. I'm far to be expert in it, so don't feel ashamed.
If you are confused or so, I'm thinking about writing some Quick Blender start which will guide you to the point you'll be able to create some basic modells.
See my model I've posted. That is the poind you'll reach with it.

You are welcommed to ask me via jabber. However, I'll be available only at weekend (well, now I should be at home in thursday - Sunday, but it is unusual) though as University keeps me busy.
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