[Arthadan]

Hello all,

Here you are a Númenórean warrior standard-bearer with a short description. I know the helmet is movie-inspired, but since Númonóreans did use winged helms the movie design is as good as any other. However on second thought it makes him look like Batman. . . I will try another wings for any Númonórean I may draw in the future.

Description

This is one of the warriors who humbled Sauron and taken him captive to Númenor and later sailed with his king to the Blessed Lands to never return. They have quality equipment includind chain or scale mail, winged helmets (karma design was out of date and used only in ceremonial armours in this period), the traditional one hand and half longsword called anket and a wide short blade called eket. Standard equipment for regular infantry include usually a shield and spear. As the proud pure-blooded Númenóreans of the Second Age were taller than most of their enemies, they usually wear some extra plate armour in the lower body an upper legs.

The emblem of Ar-Pharazôn is a winged golden high helm which also resembles the royal Crown of Númenor.

Draw

Arthadan.

This post has been edited by Arthadan: 08 January 2007 - 10:35 AM

[Beren IV]

Initially I balk at the facial hair - I don't normally see a lot of the Edain as having facial hair, or at least having much of it.

Also, the image looks... flat, without contrast - possibly because you don't have a background. It's well-drawn, however, although the prospective is a little odd (that sword gets awful close...)

[Arthadan]

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Initially I balk at the facial hair - I don't normally see a lot of the Edain as having facial hair, or at least having much of it.

Why not? I think Tolkien never said so and warriors in campaing don't have too much time to shave. Although I agree with you, they probably weren't as hairy as Beornings, but this one doesn't have a long beard.

About your other comments, I know it's not a truly awesome and almost perfect draw, but that's why I called it "fanart" and not "professional art"

Any comment abot how appropiate/inappropiate his equipment is?

This post has been edited by Arthadan: 10 January 2007 - 08:01 AM

[Beren IV]

Because of BoLT, I normally envision the House of Bëor, and to a lesser extent the Edain in general, as being more like mortal Elves than like real-world Humans. I generally feel this because they seem broadly Elvish in their temperment, their abilities, and so on. Although Tolkien said very little about the cosmetic features of Elves, I do seem them as not having facial hair until they are very ancient indeed (e.g. Cirdan). Conseuqnetly, the Edain, and in particalrly the Bëorians, would likely not grow any facial hair until they were aged. If you will, they were adolescent for most of their lives. They simply wouldn't need to shave.

Now, the Númenóreans of course were descendents of both the houses of Bëor and Hador and possibly also Haleth, and I'll bet that there is more genuine Elvish blood in there also besides just Lúthien and Idril. So they could have had facial hair earlier in their lives, but would not have had much until they were very old. If you will, your soldier is a grizzled old (but still physically vigorous) captain who achieved his status not by blood but by rising through the ranks from the common soldier, if anyone in the Númenórean army can truly be called "common".

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Your art isn't bad, btw.

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I generally envision the Númenóreans as having extremely advanced technology, so their elites would have had access to plate. Of course, plate is of limited use depending on circumstances; it prevents you from being very fast, among other things. I would not think his armor is particularly off, therefore. Although the combination of blue cloak and red talbard seems perhaps a little odd...

[Arthadan]

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Conseuqnetly, the Edain, and in particalrly the Bëorians, would likely not grow any facial hair until they were aged. If you will, they were adolescent for most of their lives. They simply wouldn't need to shave.

I have never considered that point of view before, but I think there is a quote in BOLT where Tolkien states they just reach adulthood and retained it without aging until they die (until they become corrupted by Sauron and their lives become shorter and they died old). A full grown adult man should have facial hair.

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Although the combination of blue cloak and red talbard seems perhaps a little odd...

I agree. I needed some contrast for the lining of the cloak, but maybe blue it's not the best option. What about grey?

BTW thanks for your comments!

This post has been edited by Arthadan: 10 January 2007 - 09:41 AM

[Beren IV]

Arthadan said:

I have never considered that point of view before, but I think there is a quote in BOLT where Tolkien states they just reach adulthood and retained it without aging until they die (until they become corrupted by Sauron and their lives become shorter and they died old). A full grown adult man should have facial hair.

In BoLT, what is to become the house of Bëor in later versions (it would be the House of Egnor in BoLT) in particular, are Elves, and not Men at all! It's the House of Hador that have always been Men and would fit that description.

Arthadan said:

I agree. I needed some contrast for the lining of the cloak, but maybe blue it's not the best option. What about grey?

Grey is a very functional color - brown even moreso. I can see anybody having a cloak that is grey, so it certainly would work. It wouldn't "fit" with red, but if I were in combat, I am not sure I would want to be wearing my cloak anyway.

Btw - I would think he would also have a shield, if he has a single one-handed sword.