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#1 Argalius

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 04:44 PM

I came across a rather interesting article today:

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Humans are undoubtedly the most dominant species the Earth has ever known. In just a few thousand years we have swallowed up more than a third of the planet's land for our cities, farmland and pastures. By some estimates, we now commandeer 40 per cent of all its productivity. And we're leaving quite a mess behind: ploughed-up prairies, razed forests, drained aquifers, nuclear waste, chemical pollution, invasive species, mass extinctions and now the looming spectre of climate change. If they could, the other species we share Earth with would surely vote us off the planet.
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Posted 19 November 2007 - 05:52 PM

very cool... check out THIS as well
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Posted 19 November 2007 - 06:34 PM

Great Article, and i think i might get that book... :)
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Posted 24 November 2007 - 09:50 PM

The trick is to make our ways sustainable so that we can keep doing it. Also, in order to preserve the natural world as much as possible, which is imho a thing we should do because we can, try to give room to nature. For example: why not live in places like the Sahara or Gobi desert, where's no life at all, so we'd leave no footprint. If we can have stations on the moon, we can certainly live in the desert I'd think.

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 09:15 AM

Pretty bad idea IMHO. None would like to live in Sahara. Consumption of water would be high.

And it isn't truth that in Sahara there is no life.
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Posted 07 January 2008 - 02:51 PM

The problem is if "sustainable developement" is possible.
I'm fairly positive that "sustainable human existence" is possible, but what about developement?
If we continue to believe on never ending (or ever lasting) growth, it's mathematial we'll finish avaible resources soon or later.
The keyword should be "sustainable preservation of human life within earth ecosistem", wich asks for a strong reduction of economic growth, imho... :)
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Posted 07 January 2008 - 03:39 PM

Economical growth doesn't necessarily mean decline of ecosystem.

I believe, that there is possibility of economical growth and improvement of ecosystem.

Compare pot communist states. Lower level of economical development and quality of ecosystem than in western Europe.

I'm from Czech Republic, so I know what I'm talking about. Together with economical growth also our nature slowly recovers from impact done by communist government.

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 06:38 PM

No doubt that in eastern europe (and other socialist or former socialist states) environment was ripped almost to exhaustion. The problem is that even if we're much more aware of current ecological dangers, we still seem not to be able to preserve environment as we should. Our capitalist economics lead us to behaive much or less in an equally (if less evident) spoiling manner. Look at what we're doing to regions and countries wich provide us with raw materials (or precious ones: coltan, diamonds, gold...).
It's sure that western and developed countries tend to be more careful with their environment, it's a completely different pair of shoes when talking about our politics when we have to grab some more oil, wood, or food from other less developed areas.

This kind of attitude isn't confined to environmental issues alone, of course, but extend to other areas as well (social security, direct interference with other countries politics etc., etc.).
The problem is simple, imho: how long will Mother Earth allow us to behaive like this?
Other dominant families of organisms (dynosaurs, as istance) have been wiped from the face of Earth, probably for climatic changes wich they were slow to adapt to.
Imho, the issue is if we are so confident to have a try of a similar ordeal, or if we prefer not to push our environment beyond the limit...

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 01:13 AM

Well, the difference with humans is that we can adapt to climate change and, especially now with our technology, virtually any obstacle. I have no doubt that, even should "Mother Nature" turn against us, most of us in developed countries should weather on without much problem.

We'll be looking like Coruscant in Star Wars in no time, I imagine.
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 08:50 AM

It's true that our main ability to adapt is behaivoural rather than genetic (at least in the short term), i doubt that we have the means to withstand a major climatic emergency though.
It's true, for istance, that we have technology on our side, the problem is that technology needs a somewhat healthy economy behind it to be of any help. It's doubtless that a major climatic crisis would bring a major economic one, thus limiting the soothing effects of technology.
Plus, the majority of humanity does not have access to the technology needed to survive in an hostile climate, and this could lead to a major social turmoil, on a planetary scale.
Think about emigration flows of these days, it's probable that they would increase in scale, and become much more violent.
As you said we have technology, wich could help to recover after a major climatic crisis.
My point is: why not intervene before?

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 06:09 PM

View PostTitus Ultor, on Jan 10 2008, 02:13 AM, said:

I have no doubt that, even should "Mother Nature" turn against us, most of us in developed countries should weather on without much problem.

Disaster in New Orleans proved you wrong. In two days whole society collapsed. Only few would survive such disaster in global size.
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Posted 10 January 2008 - 09:56 PM

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Disaster in New Orleans proved you wrong. In two days whole society collapsed. Only few would survive such disaster in global size.

While Katrina was a disaster by any measure, the reports of society breaking down and widespread murder and rape were debunked months after the fact. It's one of those things where the sensationalist headline is at the top of the front page, but the retraction months later is put back on page 8.
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Posted 11 January 2008 - 10:04 AM

But video records of people looting in supermarkets and elsewhere confirm it.

Keep in mind that it was just local disaster. US government could deal with it.

But what if whole world was hit? And it doesn't necessarily must be hurricane.

What about Black death and its followers like H5N1, or poor harvest leading to famine?

Yes, every state keeps reserves, but still.

Would really be men able to deal with it? Wouldn't society collapse?

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Posted 11 January 2008 - 11:49 AM

Imho, human society won't collapse.
Hopefully it will adapt, but with great costs and loss of human life.
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Posted 09 February 2008 - 02:24 AM

You guys might be interested in this:

History Channel Show

If we do become Coruscant in the next few centuries, than we need to start developing massive cloning facilities for humans, and begin constructing orbital shipyards and mass produce impressive wedge shaped capital ships. :P ;) :)
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Posted 16 July 2008 - 09:06 PM

There's also this and this on global warming.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 01:57 AM

I read 26 books on the argument, it's hard to live now

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 07:26 PM

Please ban this clown.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 09:14 PM

View PostJeru, on Oct 8 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

Please ban this clown.
Yea, please... he's getting on my nerves :)

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 11:40 PM

Now that we're on the subject of climate change, I think everyone needs to see this video.

Great Global Warming Swindle

This is not like An Inconvenient Truth. There is no political motivation here. It is the seldom heard opinion of a surprisingly large body of scientists who want to get the truth out.
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