Personally, I really like the battalion system, but I'm not sure it would work well with citizen soldiers. Maybe we could do it with super units though....
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, Jul 11 2004 04:04 PM
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#1722
Mythos_Ruler
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Megas Philhellene
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:32 AM
oshron, on 17 April 2012 - 12:39 AM, said:
actually, standard-bearers and drummers could work as morale-boosting units; you simply train them and they have a special aura that gives a morale boost to nearby allied units. you dont NEED to make a battalion system 
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#1724
Marcello66
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:18 AM
Hello, I've only recently discovered 0 AD and I've got to say, i love it! Really feels like a trip back to the games I used to love when i was younger, but in a new and awesome way. Keep up the good work! 
So i've been playing the alpha 9 release and I have a few comments and suggestions for the team. Keep in mind im new here, so i might not be aware that some idea might have already been thoroughly discussed or that some feature might already be on its way
- I feel like rotating buildings could be easier. The current system is fine, but often causes problems as you cant really move the building anymore after you've been rotating it! that is, when you're done rotating the building, it gets placed right there. What if, now that I've rotated the building to the direction I want it, I notice i also wanna move it a bit? I know this isn't a major issue, but somehow it makes the game feel less ... fluid? I think it would be nice, while you're placing a building, if you could for example hold down some key (Ctrl maybe?) and use the mouse wheel to rotate the building before you need to left click to place it.
- I dont know is it just me, but i can't seem to build walls at all! All i can get is poorly aligned blocks that hardly look like a wall. still, from what I gather, a new wall system is already on its way, so great
- The ground textures are great! Sometimes they kinda look like real photographs have been used as the base for some textures, which I'm curious about. Still, some (few) textures such as mediterranean dirt B look a bit ... too white? They remind me of overexposed photographs, and they kind of break the nice look of the ground. I mean, the ground can't be that shiny!
- The water looks great. I feel like ships should have some idle animations, like for example just sligtly swinging from side to side in the moving water. But that's probably already on its way. I also think some waves on the shores would be nice! I remember back in the day how great it looked when AoM featured waves on its coasts.
- Are there to be 6 civilizations, or will you add more?
- One thing I've never liked in strategy games is just how bare the soil looks once you've chopped down trees in an area. No matter how green and lush a grass texture is, land always tends to look really bare. Same happens to your towns. Im thinking of more eye candy: shrubs and bushes, tree stumps, shoreline animals like turtles and swans, fallen trees, rocks and what not. I'm aware that this might be detrimental to the performance of the game for many players, and there might be players who dont even care for all that eye candy anyway, so maybe there could be an option to turn eye candy on/off? All those little details would help the game feel more real.
- This kind of relates to my previous point as well, but have you thought of including neutral factions? Not full fledged factions of course, but just some inhabitants of the region that aren't affiliated with any player. You wouldn't necessarily even have to be able to interact with them (not saying no to that either though), because even just being able to SEE for example a little greek temple with a couple priests going about their business or a small encampment of huts with children running around and so on would make the region feel alive. Or maybe you could have neutral markets you could trade with, or neutral inns you could capture that would grant some mercenary troops depending on the map. I just think that the maps could have features that give the illusion of these places existing even beyond your attempt to destroy your opposing players. People live here, people who have nothing to do with your armies or towns!
- Love the idea of soldier citizens. That is perhaps the single idea I love the most in the whole game. Only one thing to point out: I think the "town center", or whatever it was called, should have a "town bell" function, which would essentially signal to all female citizens in that town center's area to take cover and garrison in the nearest garrisonable building. When I get attacked and I have to organize my troops for the defence, I find myself wishing my people would have the common sense of running away instead of carrying on gathering berries while a battle rages on right next to them
- Farms! Aside from how i think farms could use with a few eye-candy props, i think farms could either have infinite food or be automatically replanted when they run out of food. What sounds the best to me is that the farm structure itself wouldn't ever actually disappear (because in reality, farms dont just disappear), but it still CAN run out of food (it becomes an "exhausted farm") and when it does, you need to task a citizen to replant it. select a citizen and right click the exhausted farm. Replanting would of course cost some wood, so I'm not talking about gratis food for the rest of the game. I just don't like how the whole farm structure disappears entirely, when the whole harvest has been collected.
- Fish could respawn every now and then. In this historical period they didn't exactly have the problem of entirely exhausting the fish supplies of a region, so I don't think it should be happening in the game either. I know that infinite resources are bad for gameplay, but food is the most basic resource, I don't think that having a way of being able to collect food for however long you want would break gameplay. It also makes no sense for a region to run out of food entirely, if a game lasts a long time.
- I liked in AoE3 the treasures you had to fight for. Like the native americans imprisoned by criminals: you'd see the criminals laughing and messing around a fire in their camp, and you could choose to attack them to free their prisoner who'd join your cause. Im not saying it has to be units, but I think this type of treasure would be neat and add some depth to early gameplay.
- I read that units on walls will probably be pushed back to 0AD part II, but what about units on ships? Will they be a part of 0AD?
- Im also thinking of the possibility of an outpost function. Your main towns are built around the "town center" buildings. I'm thinking of the possibility of constructing a "military outpost center" kind of building that would extend your control over a smaller territory than town centers do, and not allow the construction of advanced structures (such as fortresses, stone walls, and for example hellenistic gymnasiums or theatres). These outposts would be cheap and quick to build and would serve the single purpose of gathering resources in an area or controlling a key area by simply gaining military control of it, rather than starting a new town there.
- A couple things about resource collection, it would be cool if the animation for carrying a huge block of stone would be different than the one for carrying wood. I noticed a bunch of workers carrying HUGE blocks of stone with two arms and i did not get the feeling those blocks were heavy at all. Carrying the blocks on their back and wobbling a bit under its weight while walking would look neat and certainly give you the feeling that these people really are working hard for you
- Siege units could have a couple humans a part of the unit. I'm talking of a purely visual matter now, I've never been able to work with magical wooden machines that move by themselves in the middle of the wilderness
- This might go a bit overboard in terms of how hard it might be to implement over the actual value of the idea, bu have you thought of a day/night cycle? It would certainly be very cool, but I do wonder even myself would it just look bad, suddenly making building construction times look really bad (waiting 60 seconds for a house to be ready isn't bad, but when you can actually see that those 60 seconds equalled to less than an hour in the day/night cycle, it might suddenly look bad, i dont know).
There! I know that's a huge list of suggestions, I hope no one will be shocked by it. I also want to say that these are all suggestions for DETAILS, and that the game overall is absolutely great!
So i've been playing the alpha 9 release and I have a few comments and suggestions for the team. Keep in mind im new here, so i might not be aware that some idea might have already been thoroughly discussed or that some feature might already be on its way
- I feel like rotating buildings could be easier. The current system is fine, but often causes problems as you cant really move the building anymore after you've been rotating it! that is, when you're done rotating the building, it gets placed right there. What if, now that I've rotated the building to the direction I want it, I notice i also wanna move it a bit? I know this isn't a major issue, but somehow it makes the game feel less ... fluid? I think it would be nice, while you're placing a building, if you could for example hold down some key (Ctrl maybe?) and use the mouse wheel to rotate the building before you need to left click to place it.
- I dont know is it just me, but i can't seem to build walls at all! All i can get is poorly aligned blocks that hardly look like a wall. still, from what I gather, a new wall system is already on its way, so great
- The ground textures are great! Sometimes they kinda look like real photographs have been used as the base for some textures, which I'm curious about. Still, some (few) textures such as mediterranean dirt B look a bit ... too white? They remind me of overexposed photographs, and they kind of break the nice look of the ground. I mean, the ground can't be that shiny!
- The water looks great. I feel like ships should have some idle animations, like for example just sligtly swinging from side to side in the moving water. But that's probably already on its way. I also think some waves on the shores would be nice! I remember back in the day how great it looked when AoM featured waves on its coasts.
- Are there to be 6 civilizations, or will you add more?
- One thing I've never liked in strategy games is just how bare the soil looks once you've chopped down trees in an area. No matter how green and lush a grass texture is, land always tends to look really bare. Same happens to your towns. Im thinking of more eye candy: shrubs and bushes, tree stumps, shoreline animals like turtles and swans, fallen trees, rocks and what not. I'm aware that this might be detrimental to the performance of the game for many players, and there might be players who dont even care for all that eye candy anyway, so maybe there could be an option to turn eye candy on/off? All those little details would help the game feel more real.
- This kind of relates to my previous point as well, but have you thought of including neutral factions? Not full fledged factions of course, but just some inhabitants of the region that aren't affiliated with any player. You wouldn't necessarily even have to be able to interact with them (not saying no to that either though), because even just being able to SEE for example a little greek temple with a couple priests going about their business or a small encampment of huts with children running around and so on would make the region feel alive. Or maybe you could have neutral markets you could trade with, or neutral inns you could capture that would grant some mercenary troops depending on the map. I just think that the maps could have features that give the illusion of these places existing even beyond your attempt to destroy your opposing players. People live here, people who have nothing to do with your armies or towns!
- Love the idea of soldier citizens. That is perhaps the single idea I love the most in the whole game. Only one thing to point out: I think the "town center", or whatever it was called, should have a "town bell" function, which would essentially signal to all female citizens in that town center's area to take cover and garrison in the nearest garrisonable building. When I get attacked and I have to organize my troops for the defence, I find myself wishing my people would have the common sense of running away instead of carrying on gathering berries while a battle rages on right next to them
- Farms! Aside from how i think farms could use with a few eye-candy props, i think farms could either have infinite food or be automatically replanted when they run out of food. What sounds the best to me is that the farm structure itself wouldn't ever actually disappear (because in reality, farms dont just disappear), but it still CAN run out of food (it becomes an "exhausted farm") and when it does, you need to task a citizen to replant it. select a citizen and right click the exhausted farm. Replanting would of course cost some wood, so I'm not talking about gratis food for the rest of the game. I just don't like how the whole farm structure disappears entirely, when the whole harvest has been collected.
- Fish could respawn every now and then. In this historical period they didn't exactly have the problem of entirely exhausting the fish supplies of a region, so I don't think it should be happening in the game either. I know that infinite resources are bad for gameplay, but food is the most basic resource, I don't think that having a way of being able to collect food for however long you want would break gameplay. It also makes no sense for a region to run out of food entirely, if a game lasts a long time.
- I liked in AoE3 the treasures you had to fight for. Like the native americans imprisoned by criminals: you'd see the criminals laughing and messing around a fire in their camp, and you could choose to attack them to free their prisoner who'd join your cause. Im not saying it has to be units, but I think this type of treasure would be neat and add some depth to early gameplay.
- I read that units on walls will probably be pushed back to 0AD part II, but what about units on ships? Will they be a part of 0AD?
- Im also thinking of the possibility of an outpost function. Your main towns are built around the "town center" buildings. I'm thinking of the possibility of constructing a "military outpost center" kind of building that would extend your control over a smaller territory than town centers do, and not allow the construction of advanced structures (such as fortresses, stone walls, and for example hellenistic gymnasiums or theatres). These outposts would be cheap and quick to build and would serve the single purpose of gathering resources in an area or controlling a key area by simply gaining military control of it, rather than starting a new town there.
- A couple things about resource collection, it would be cool if the animation for carrying a huge block of stone would be different than the one for carrying wood. I noticed a bunch of workers carrying HUGE blocks of stone with two arms and i did not get the feeling those blocks were heavy at all. Carrying the blocks on their back and wobbling a bit under its weight while walking would look neat and certainly give you the feeling that these people really are working hard for you
- Siege units could have a couple humans a part of the unit. I'm talking of a purely visual matter now, I've never been able to work with magical wooden machines that move by themselves in the middle of the wilderness
- This might go a bit overboard in terms of how hard it might be to implement over the actual value of the idea, bu have you thought of a day/night cycle? It would certainly be very cool, but I do wonder even myself would it just look bad, suddenly making building construction times look really bad (waiting 60 seconds for a house to be ready isn't bad, but when you can actually see that those 60 seconds equalled to less than an hour in the day/night cycle, it might suddenly look bad, i dont know).
There! I know that's a huge list of suggestions, I hope no one will be shocked by it. I also want to say that these are all suggestions for DETAILS, and that the game overall is absolutely great!
#1725
FeXoR
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:25 PM
Marcello66, on 19 April 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:
Hello, I've only recently discovered 0 AD and I've got to say, i love it! Really feels like a trip back to the games I used to love when i was younger, but in a new and awesome way. Keep up the good work!
So i've been playing the alpha 9 release and I have a few comments and suggestions for the team. Keep in mind im new here, so i might not be aware that some idea might have already been thoroughly discussed or that some feature might already be on its way
- I feel like rotating buildings could be easier. The current system is fine, but often causes problems as you cant really move the building anymore after you've been rotating it! that is, when you're done rotating the building, it gets placed right there. What if, now that I've rotated the building to the direction I want it, I notice i also wanna move it a bit? I know this isn't a major issue, but somehow it makes the game feel less ... fluid? I think it would be nice, while you're placing a building, if you could for example hold down some key (Ctrl maybe?) and use the mouse wheel to rotate the building before you need to left click to place it.
- I dont know is it just me, but i can't seem to build walls at all! All i can get is poorly aligned blocks that hardly look like a wall. still, from what I gather, a new wall system is already on its way, so great
- The ground textures are great! Sometimes they kinda look like real photographs have been used as the base for some textures, which I'm curious about. Still, some (few) textures such as mediterranean dirt B look a bit ... too white? They remind me of overexposed photographs, and they kind of break the nice look of the ground. I mean, the ground can't be that shiny!
- The water looks great. I feel like ships should have some idle animations, like for example just sligtly swinging from side to side in the moving water. But that's probably already on its way. I also think some waves on the shores would be nice! I remember back in the day how great it looked when AoM featured waves on its coasts.
- Are there to be 6 civilizations, or will you add more?
- One thing I've never liked in strategy games is just how bare the soil looks once you've chopped down trees in an area. No matter how green and lush a grass texture is, land always tends to look really bare. Same happens to your towns. Im thinking of more eye candy: shrubs and bushes, tree stumps, shoreline animals like turtles and swans, fallen trees, rocks and what not. I'm aware that this might be detrimental to the performance of the game for many players, and there might be players who dont even care for all that eye candy anyway, so maybe there could be an option to turn eye candy on/off? All those little details would help the game feel more real.
- This kind of relates to my previous point as well, but have you thought of including neutral factions? Not full fledged factions of course, but just some inhabitants of the region that aren't affiliated with any player. You wouldn't necessarily even have to be able to interact with them (not saying no to that either though), because even just being able to SEE for example a little greek temple with a couple priests going about their business or a small encampment of huts with children running around and so on would make the region feel alive. Or maybe you could have neutral markets you could trade with, or neutral inns you could capture that would grant some mercenary troops depending on the map. I just think that the maps could have features that give the illusion of these places existing even beyond your attempt to destroy your opposing players. People live here, people who have nothing to do with your armies or towns!
- Love the idea of soldier citizens. That is perhaps the single idea I love the most in the whole game. Only one thing to point out: I think the "town center", or whatever it was called, should have a "town bell" function, which would essentially signal to all female citizens in that town center's area to take cover and garrison in the nearest garrisonable building. When I get attacked and I have to organize my troops for the defence, I find myself wishing my people would have the common sense of running away instead of carrying on gathering berries while a battle rages on right next to them
- Farms! Aside from how i think farms could use with a few eye-candy props, i think farms could either have infinite food or be automatically replanted when they run out of food. What sounds the best to me is that the farm structure itself wouldn't ever actually disappear (because in reality, farms dont just disappear), but it still CAN run out of food (it becomes an "exhausted farm") and when it does, you need to task a citizen to replant it. select a citizen and right click the exhausted farm. Replanting would of course cost some wood, so I'm not talking about gratis food for the rest of the game. I just don't like how the whole farm structure disappears entirely, when the whole harvest has been collected.
- Fish could respawn every now and then. In this historical period they didn't exactly have the problem of entirely exhausting the fish supplies of a region, so I don't think it should be happening in the game either. I know that infinite resources are bad for gameplay, but food is the most basic resource, I don't think that having a way of being able to collect food for however long you want would break gameplay. It also makes no sense for a region to run out of food entirely, if a game lasts a long time.
- I liked in AoE3 the treasures you had to fight for. Like the native americans imprisoned by criminals: you'd see the criminals laughing and messing around a fire in their camp, and you could choose to attack them to free their prisoner who'd join your cause. Im not saying it has to be units, but I think this type of treasure would be neat and add some depth to early gameplay.
- I read that units on walls will probably be pushed back to 0AD part II, but what about units on ships? Will they be a part of 0AD?
- Im also thinking of the possibility of an outpost function. Your main towns are built around the "town center" buildings. I'm thinking of the possibility of constructing a "military outpost center" kind of building that would extend your control over a smaller territory than town centers do, and not allow the construction of advanced structures (such as fortresses, stone walls, and for example hellenistic gymnasiums or theatres). These outposts would be cheap and quick to build and would serve the single purpose of gathering resources in an area or controlling a key area by simply gaining military control of it, rather than starting a new town there.
- A couple things about resource collection, it would be cool if the animation for carrying a huge block of stone would be different than the one for carrying wood. I noticed a bunch of workers carrying HUGE blocks of stone with two arms and i did not get the feeling those blocks were heavy at all. Carrying the blocks on their back and wobbling a bit under its weight while walking would look neat and certainly give you the feeling that these people really are working hard for you
- Siege units could have a couple humans a part of the unit. I'm talking of a purely visual matter now, I've never been able to work with magical wooden machines that move by themselves in the middle of the wilderness
- This might go a bit overboard in terms of how hard it might be to implement over the actual value of the idea, bu have you thought of a day/night cycle? It would certainly be very cool, but I do wonder even myself would it just look bad, suddenly making building construction times look really bad (waiting 60 seconds for a house to be ready isn't bad, but when you can actually see that those 60 seconds equalled to less than an hour in the day/night cycle, it might suddenly look bad, i dont know).
There! I know that's a huge list of suggestions, I hope no one will be shocked by it. I also want to say that these are all suggestions for DETAILS, and that the game overall is absolutely great!
So i've been playing the alpha 9 release and I have a few comments and suggestions for the team. Keep in mind im new here, so i might not be aware that some idea might have already been thoroughly discussed or that some feature might already be on its way
- I feel like rotating buildings could be easier. The current system is fine, but often causes problems as you cant really move the building anymore after you've been rotating it! that is, when you're done rotating the building, it gets placed right there. What if, now that I've rotated the building to the direction I want it, I notice i also wanna move it a bit? I know this isn't a major issue, but somehow it makes the game feel less ... fluid? I think it would be nice, while you're placing a building, if you could for example hold down some key (Ctrl maybe?) and use the mouse wheel to rotate the building before you need to left click to place it.
- I dont know is it just me, but i can't seem to build walls at all! All i can get is poorly aligned blocks that hardly look like a wall. still, from what I gather, a new wall system is already on its way, so great
- The ground textures are great! Sometimes they kinda look like real photographs have been used as the base for some textures, which I'm curious about. Still, some (few) textures such as mediterranean dirt B look a bit ... too white? They remind me of overexposed photographs, and they kind of break the nice look of the ground. I mean, the ground can't be that shiny!
- The water looks great. I feel like ships should have some idle animations, like for example just sligtly swinging from side to side in the moving water. But that's probably already on its way. I also think some waves on the shores would be nice! I remember back in the day how great it looked when AoM featured waves on its coasts.
- Are there to be 6 civilizations, or will you add more?
- One thing I've never liked in strategy games is just how bare the soil looks once you've chopped down trees in an area. No matter how green and lush a grass texture is, land always tends to look really bare. Same happens to your towns. Im thinking of more eye candy: shrubs and bushes, tree stumps, shoreline animals like turtles and swans, fallen trees, rocks and what not. I'm aware that this might be detrimental to the performance of the game for many players, and there might be players who dont even care for all that eye candy anyway, so maybe there could be an option to turn eye candy on/off? All those little details would help the game feel more real.
- This kind of relates to my previous point as well, but have you thought of including neutral factions? Not full fledged factions of course, but just some inhabitants of the region that aren't affiliated with any player. You wouldn't necessarily even have to be able to interact with them (not saying no to that either though), because even just being able to SEE for example a little greek temple with a couple priests going about their business or a small encampment of huts with children running around and so on would make the region feel alive. Or maybe you could have neutral markets you could trade with, or neutral inns you could capture that would grant some mercenary troops depending on the map. I just think that the maps could have features that give the illusion of these places existing even beyond your attempt to destroy your opposing players. People live here, people who have nothing to do with your armies or towns!
- Love the idea of soldier citizens. That is perhaps the single idea I love the most in the whole game. Only one thing to point out: I think the "town center", or whatever it was called, should have a "town bell" function, which would essentially signal to all female citizens in that town center's area to take cover and garrison in the nearest garrisonable building. When I get attacked and I have to organize my troops for the defence, I find myself wishing my people would have the common sense of running away instead of carrying on gathering berries while a battle rages on right next to them
- Farms! Aside from how i think farms could use with a few eye-candy props, i think farms could either have infinite food or be automatically replanted when they run out of food. What sounds the best to me is that the farm structure itself wouldn't ever actually disappear (because in reality, farms dont just disappear), but it still CAN run out of food (it becomes an "exhausted farm") and when it does, you need to task a citizen to replant it. select a citizen and right click the exhausted farm. Replanting would of course cost some wood, so I'm not talking about gratis food for the rest of the game. I just don't like how the whole farm structure disappears entirely, when the whole harvest has been collected.
- Fish could respawn every now and then. In this historical period they didn't exactly have the problem of entirely exhausting the fish supplies of a region, so I don't think it should be happening in the game either. I know that infinite resources are bad for gameplay, but food is the most basic resource, I don't think that having a way of being able to collect food for however long you want would break gameplay. It also makes no sense for a region to run out of food entirely, if a game lasts a long time.
- I liked in AoE3 the treasures you had to fight for. Like the native americans imprisoned by criminals: you'd see the criminals laughing and messing around a fire in their camp, and you could choose to attack them to free their prisoner who'd join your cause. Im not saying it has to be units, but I think this type of treasure would be neat and add some depth to early gameplay.
- I read that units on walls will probably be pushed back to 0AD part II, but what about units on ships? Will they be a part of 0AD?
- Im also thinking of the possibility of an outpost function. Your main towns are built around the "town center" buildings. I'm thinking of the possibility of constructing a "military outpost center" kind of building that would extend your control over a smaller territory than town centers do, and not allow the construction of advanced structures (such as fortresses, stone walls, and for example hellenistic gymnasiums or theatres). These outposts would be cheap and quick to build and would serve the single purpose of gathering resources in an area or controlling a key area by simply gaining military control of it, rather than starting a new town there.
- A couple things about resource collection, it would be cool if the animation for carrying a huge block of stone would be different than the one for carrying wood. I noticed a bunch of workers carrying HUGE blocks of stone with two arms and i did not get the feeling those blocks were heavy at all. Carrying the blocks on their back and wobbling a bit under its weight while walking would look neat and certainly give you the feeling that these people really are working hard for you
- Siege units could have a couple humans a part of the unit. I'm talking of a purely visual matter now, I've never been able to work with magical wooden machines that move by themselves in the middle of the wilderness
- This might go a bit overboard in terms of how hard it might be to implement over the actual value of the idea, bu have you thought of a day/night cycle? It would certainly be very cool, but I do wonder even myself would it just look bad, suddenly making building construction times look really bad (waiting 60 seconds for a house to be ready isn't bad, but when you can actually see that those 60 seconds equalled to less than an hour in the day/night cycle, it might suddenly look bad, i dont know).
There! I know that's a huge list of suggestions, I hope no one will be shocked by it. I also want to say that these are all suggestions for DETAILS, and that the game overall is absolutely great!
- Rotating buildings in-game: Fixed. After selecting a bunch of units that can build and clicked a build button the building is attached to the cursor. When holding down the left mouse button the buildings location is fixed and and it can be rotated with the mouse. If you right-click in any part of this action the placement is canceled.
- Wall placement: It's on it's way:
- Textures: Yes, I think some textures are not fitting well. Don't know what the art department thinks about that though. BTW: Real ground/stones can be quite shiny white:
http://mkeamy.typepa...6327c970c-800wi
http://www.ithakabou...Cliff-Beach.jpg
http://images.volcan...milos_g6685.jpg
http://static.design...fs-of-dover.jpg
http://images.world6..._do_galleryfull
- Water shore wave animation/Ship idle animation: AFAIK both in discussion (not sure though)
- Civilizations: AFAIK 6 civilizations are planed for 0AD Part 1, those already in the game. For part 2 others are planned.
- Waste land: There are many stuff available for decoration. The usage depends mainly on the designer map designer. Feel free to design maps with tons of decorative stuff
- Neutral faction: There is one: Gaia. She attacks everyone else (wild animals are an example). If you start a scenario with a player unassigned all it's units/structures are given to her and they'll attack everyone coming near. I don't know how far and when an AI is in discussion for her.
- Town bell: Hot discussions about this are burning here.
- Farms: Auto rebuild is in discussion. No idea concerning the model. Further info in the next post by wraitii.
- Fish: See the next post by wraitii.
- Treasures: Treasure are available too. The units as treasure are not planed as far as I know but 'capturing'/converting units and/or buildings is planned AFAIK.
- Outposts: There are some buildings that can be placed anywhere on the map (not on cliffs/water ofc.). The outpost/watchtower (mainly to get visual on the surroundings) and the roman army camp for defensive/siege purpose. Further info in the next post by wraitii.
- Carrying stone: Visuals, visuals, visuals... I don't get it. Well, I'd say the artists/animators are heavily on it doing a great job. Adding different animations for everything is time consuming. But if you can inspire them...
- Siege units: I totally agree. Don't know if it's planned though.
- Day/night cycle: If it's to fast it's annoying, if it's to slow it's a bit unreal as you said. I don't think it's worth it.
Edited by FeXoR, 19 April 2012 - 08:56 PM.
Im Übrigen bin ich der Meinung, dass 0A.D. Auslöser braucht. (IMO 0A.D. needs triggers ASAP.)
#1726
wraitii
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Primus Pilus
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:46 PM
AFAIK, units on ships are already "in", but I'm not sure the graphics are handled. It might only work with archers, too.
I think waves/more ship animations are part of what the team wants to do ultimately, but it's not top priority.
More eye candy stuffs right now is possible, but laggy because the game is not nearly optimized enough.
Farms are intended to be overhauled for alpha 11 (not the next one), being infinite, with only 5 workers at most on one farm at a time, and diminishing returns for each worker. Also: bonus if the farm is built on "arable" land.
I'm fairly sure fishes are intended to deplete ultimately. I think it was discussed... And if I recall correctly, already in ancient times overfishing was a problem.
Your "outpost" idea kind of defeats the interest of territory, which is to have to build big buildings to expend, I think.
I think waves/more ship animations are part of what the team wants to do ultimately, but it's not top priority.
More eye candy stuffs right now is possible, but laggy because the game is not nearly optimized enough.
Farms are intended to be overhauled for alpha 11 (not the next one), being infinite, with only 5 workers at most on one farm at a time, and diminishing returns for each worker. Also: bonus if the farm is built on "arable" land.
I'm fairly sure fishes are intended to deplete ultimately. I think it was discussed... And if I recall correctly, already in ancient times overfishing was a problem.
Your "outpost" idea kind of defeats the interest of territory, which is to have to build big buildings to expend, I think.
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Megas Philhellene
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:40 AM
Lion.Kanzen, on 20 April 2012 - 05:12 AM, said:
in older system runs perfect my newest machine not run good this game
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:02 PM
FeXoR, on 19 April 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:
- Rotating buildings in-game: Fixed. After selecting a bunch of units that can build and clicked a build button the building is attached to the cursor. When holding down the left mouse button the buildings location is fixed and and it can be rotated with the mouse. If you right-click in any part of this action the placement is canceled.
- Wall placement: It's on it's way:
- Textures: Yes, I think some textures are not fitting well. Don't know what the art department thinks about that though. BTW: Real ground/stones can be quite shiny white:
http://mkeamy.typepa...6327c970c-800wi
http://www.ithakabou...Cliff-Beach.jpg
http://images.volcan...milos_g6685.jpg
http://static.design...fs-of-dover.jpg
http://images.world6..._do_galleryfull
- Water shore wave animation/Ship idle animation: AFAIK both in discussion (not sure though)
- Civilizations: AFAIK 6 civilizations are planed for 0AD Part 1, those already in the game. For part 2 others are planned.
- Waste land: There are many stuff available for decoration. The usage depends mainly on the designer map designer. Feel free to design maps with tons of decorative stuff
- Neutral faction: There is one: Gaia. She attacks everyone else (wild animals are an example). If you start a scenario with a player unassigned all it's units/structures are given to her and they'll attack everyone coming near. I don't know how far and when an AI is in discussion for her.
- Town bell: Hot discussions about this are burning here.
- Farms: Auto rebuild is in discussion. No idea concerning the model. Further info in the next post by wraitii.
- Fish: See the next post by wraitii.
- Treasures: Treasure are available too. The units as treasure are not planed as far as I know but 'capturing'/converting units and/or buildings is planned AFAIK.
- Outposts: There are some buildings that can be placed anywhere on the map (not on cliffs/water ofc.). The outpost/watchtower (mainly to get visual on the surroundings) and the roman army camp for defensive/siege purpose. Further info in the next post by wraitii.
- Carrying stone: Visuals, visuals, visuals... I don't get it. Well, I'd say the artists/animators are heavily on it doing a great job. Adding different animations for everything is time consuming. But if you can inspire them...
- Siege units: I totally agree. Don't know if it's planned though.
- Day/night cycle: If it's to fast it's annoying, if it's to slow it's a bit unreal as you said. I don't think it's worth it.
- Wall placement: It's on it's way:
- Textures: Yes, I think some textures are not fitting well. Don't know what the art department thinks about that though. BTW: Real ground/stones can be quite shiny white:
http://mkeamy.typepa...6327c970c-800wi
http://www.ithakabou...Cliff-Beach.jpg
http://images.volcan...milos_g6685.jpg
http://static.design...fs-of-dover.jpg
http://images.world6..._do_galleryfull
- Water shore wave animation/Ship idle animation: AFAIK both in discussion (not sure though)
- Civilizations: AFAIK 6 civilizations are planed for 0AD Part 1, those already in the game. For part 2 others are planned.
- Waste land: There are many stuff available for decoration. The usage depends mainly on the designer map designer. Feel free to design maps with tons of decorative stuff
- Neutral faction: There is one: Gaia. She attacks everyone else (wild animals are an example). If you start a scenario with a player unassigned all it's units/structures are given to her and they'll attack everyone coming near. I don't know how far and when an AI is in discussion for her.
- Town bell: Hot discussions about this are burning here.
- Farms: Auto rebuild is in discussion. No idea concerning the model. Further info in the next post by wraitii.
- Fish: See the next post by wraitii.
- Treasures: Treasure are available too. The units as treasure are not planed as far as I know but 'capturing'/converting units and/or buildings is planned AFAIK.
- Outposts: There are some buildings that can be placed anywhere on the map (not on cliffs/water ofc.). The outpost/watchtower (mainly to get visual on the surroundings) and the roman army camp for defensive/siege purpose. Further info in the next post by wraitii.
- Carrying stone: Visuals, visuals, visuals... I don't get it. Well, I'd say the artists/animators are heavily on it doing a great job. Adding different animations for everything is time consuming. But if you can inspire them...
- Siege units: I totally agree. Don't know if it's planned though.
- Day/night cycle: If it's to fast it's annoying, if it's to slow it's a bit unreal as you said. I don't think it's worth it.
Ah, thanks both to you and to wraithii for your replies! Yes, I see your point about outposts and fish. I also don't really support my day/night cycle idea anymore myself either
though I'd still like to see a town bell and overhauled farms.And yes, only AFTER my original post i noticed that the Atlas world editor is full of cool props and decorative features for maps. So no problem.
Further to what Lion Kanzen is saying, is this game very intensive on hard drives? Is it not very well optimized yet? I haven't tried it on my desktop pc, but on my gaming laptop I'm having problems with it ... Further into the game, it starts lagging ... but it's not about FPS, that's fine and smooth, it's just the whole game that works as if someone was constantly pressing play/pause/play/pause/play/pause/play
can't explain better than that ... I've been doing some troubleshooting and I know for sure that my GPU handles the game with no problem and it would seem to be the same for my CPU (CPU usage of the game peaks at 30%, havent looked at individual cores though). My HDD's disk transfer rate keeps reaching huge sudden peaks at a 100% though, so I have no idea what's going on. The problem is worse on water maps, worse the more AIs are on the map, and worse with the better AIs like qBot (as opposed to demobot).Any ideas? Can post my hardware and OS info if that helps.
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feneur
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 07:08 PM
Marcello66, on 20 April 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:
Further to what Lion Kanzen is saying, is this game very intensive on hard drives? Is it not very well optimized yet? I haven't tried it on my desktop pc, but on my gaming laptop I'm having problems with it ... Further into the game, it starts lagging ... but it's not about FPS, that's fine and smooth, it's just the whole game that works as if someone was constantly pressing play/pause/play/pause/play/pause/play can't explain better than that ... I've been doing some troubleshooting and I know for sure that my GPU handles the game with no problem and it would seem to be the same for my CPU (CPU usage of the game peaks at 30%, havent looked at individual cores though). My HDD's disk transfer rate keeps reaching huge sudden peaks at a 100% though, so I have no idea what's going on. The problem is worse on water maps, worse the more AIs are on the map, and worse with the better AIs like qBot (as opposed to demobot).
Any ideas? Can post my hardware and OS info if that helps.
can't explain better than that ... I've been doing some troubleshooting and I know for sure that my GPU handles the game with no problem and it would seem to be the same for my CPU (CPU usage of the game peaks at 30%, havent looked at individual cores though). My HDD's disk transfer rate keeps reaching huge sudden peaks at a 100% though, so I have no idea what's going on. The problem is worse on water maps, worse the more AIs are on the map, and worse with the better AIs like qBot (as opposed to demobot).Any ideas? Can post my hardware and OS info if that helps.
In other words: it's something we're aware of and that we will work on to fix before the game is finished
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feneur
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:08 PM
Lion.Kanzen, on 20 April 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:
yes i know those issues, but im not the only, and i know the game will finish in 2 or 3 years fully fuctionally, the Game commnuty grow day to day, The Proyect is more seriusly than AOEO (Casual Gamers),
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#1731
Marcello66
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Tiro
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 02:06 PM
feneur, on 20 April 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:
My reply was to Marcello66, I know you're aware of these issues
Thanks for the information
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ironbmike
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Tiro
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:30 PM
Here is one idea, probably too late to implement but I want to put it out there none the less.
A winter season. Spring, summer, autumn don't matter but winter does. Traditionally winters were when armies went into winter quarters and active campaigning was put on hold. For this, it could be a time when leaving your own territory with units results in massive attrition damage, or some other mechanism to make you keep your units in your territory.
The point of this would be to make 3/4 of the game normal and 1/4 a "breather" for work on the economy or building, thus giving players who are behind a chance to catch up or players who are ahead a chance to distance themselves and prepare for spring warfare.
The art requirements would be low, maybe just add a grey to everything during winter?
I think this would add a new element that RTS games really haven't had and it would make gameplay more interesting, e.g. "can I finish my attack before winter comes?" or "can I hold on until winter comes?" Very dramatic!
A winter season. Spring, summer, autumn don't matter but winter does. Traditionally winters were when armies went into winter quarters and active campaigning was put on hold. For this, it could be a time when leaving your own territory with units results in massive attrition damage, or some other mechanism to make you keep your units in your territory.
The point of this would be to make 3/4 of the game normal and 1/4 a "breather" for work on the economy or building, thus giving players who are behind a chance to catch up or players who are ahead a chance to distance themselves and prepare for spring warfare.
The art requirements would be low, maybe just add a grey to everything during winter?
I think this would add a new element that RTS games really haven't had and it would make gameplay more interesting, e.g. "can I finish my attack before winter comes?" or "can I hold on until winter comes?" Very dramatic!
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ironbmike
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:34 PM
Also, would it be possible to always have units stats shown on the GUI instead of having to hover the mouse over to see?
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oshron
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Centurio
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:34 PM
iirc, seasons and a day/night cycle have been put on hold until part 2; i agree that its awesome, but it doesnt contribute much to gameplay, and the point is to actually FINISH the darn game first
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 01:46 PM
Well of course, the core gameplay should be nailed down before anything else, but I think that seasons should have a dramatic impact on gameplay if/when they are implemented. They shouldn't just be eyecandy. And historically armies rarely campaigned in wintertime. This could even be a civ bonus for the Celts.
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feneur
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 07:56 PM
ironbmike, on 24 April 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:
Also, would it be possible to always have units stats shown on the GUI instead of having to hover the mouse over to see?
For the main version we're not very likely to change it though as unit stats aren't something you generally need to access quickly (apart from health/loyalty, but those you get easily displayed with the colored bars for a quick check and hover over for more detail).
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 08:25 PM
feneur, on 24 April 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:
It would be possible, but then the GUI would be more crowded/or we'd have to remove other things. I'm sure there will be GUI mods though that might do something like this For the main version we're not very likely to change it though as unit stats aren't something you generally need to access quickly (apart from health/loyalty, but those you get easily displayed with the colored bars for a quick check and hover over for more detail).
For the main version we're not very likely to change it though as unit stats aren't something you generally need to access quickly (apart from health/loyalty, but those you get easily displayed with the colored bars for a quick check and hover over for more detail).I agree. I'd like to be able to see more informations though. For example the pop limit increase of a fortress (can be seen in the build menu of a worker able to build it but not in the fortress itself AFAIK). I think there are others like the attack bonus or the amount of food a farm grants. Not sure about all of this but I think they should be viewable in-game though most only by tooltips/mouse hover (how is this called
) to keep the GUI clean.
Edited by FeXoR, 24 April 2012 - 08:25 PM.
Im Übrigen bin ich der Meinung, dass 0A.D. Auslöser braucht. (IMO 0A.D. needs triggers ASAP.)
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 09:24 PM
FeXoR, on 24 April 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:
I agree. I'd like to be able to see more informations though. For example the pop limit increase of a fortress (can be seen in the build menu of a worker able to build it but not in the fortress itself AFAIK). I think there are others like the attack bonus or the amount of food a farm grants. Not sure about all of this but I think they should be viewable in-game though most only by tooltips/mouse hover (how is this called ) to keep the GUI clean.
) to keep the GUI clean. The amount of food a farm grants is shown (the right bar, hover over to see exact amount).
Not sure what you mean by "attack bonus", it does say which units a unit is bonused against/which are bonused against it if you hover over the unit portrait with one selected (ok, it does say "counters/is countered by", but the meaning is the same). If that is what you mean
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Posted 24 April 2012 - 09:47 PM
feneur, on 24 April 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:
the pop limit increase of a fortress - sure, could be added. I don't personally see much need for it as the change has already been done though + it's one of those things you quickly learn
The amount of food a farm grants is shown (the right bar, hover over to see exact amount).
Not sure what you mean by "attack bonus", it does say which units a unit is bonused against/which are bonused against it if you hover over the unit portrait with one selected (ok, it does say "counters/is countered by", but the meaning is the same). If that is what you mean
The amount of food a farm grants is shown (the right bar, hover over to see exact amount).
Not sure what you mean by "attack bonus", it does say which units a unit is bonused against/which are bonused against it if you hover over the unit portrait with one selected (ok, it does say "counters/is countered by", but the meaning is the same). If that is what you mean
I think pop cap bonus sould be seen even of it's already added.
I forgot about the resource bar, your right and it's nice and consistent.
The quality of the attack bonus is shown, yes, but not the quantity. Is it a multiplier and if how high ('x1.8 vs. cavalry' e.g.) or a fixed amount ('+12 pierce/+8 hack vs. cavalry' e.g.)?
Im Übrigen bin ich der Meinung, dass 0A.D. Auslöser braucht. (IMO 0A.D. needs triggers ASAP.)
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oshron
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:22 AM
if it hasnt already, i'd recommend a "history" page like what we had in AOM where you could double-click on a unit or building's icon while its selected and allow you to see not only all of its stats and bonuses in simple and explained language (for example, the "stench" aura that camel units would have could be described under "Special Abilities" as "Stench: enemy horses loses morale when nearby"). this could also help with aforementioned suggestions
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