[plumo]

My concept: an RTS mod/game = Land of the Tribes

Setting: Around 12.000 BC, the ice age is ending. The climate is getting warmer, conditions are less harsh. Human population increases, leading to conflict. It should not be a completely historical representation of that era but an alternative one. No magic, dragons or dwarfs for example but changes that could have happened. To be honest, I'm fed up with this.

Tribes: 4 Tribes that are visually distinctive, but all human ( homo sapiens sapiens). Their habitat/ environment differs, their weapons, culture, way of life, etc. ...

This is the first one: ( tonight I will add the next 3)

Forest dwellers others: Clan of the mountain, Lake people and Desert nomads

Live on the forest floor in small 'villages' consisting of dug-out holes under the roots of large trees, next to small rivers.
They are the smallest people, being big isn't an advantage when you live in a forest.
Respected men wear antlers ( token of the hunt) or a necklace of fangs. They worship places where a spring comes trickling out of the rocks or forest floor. Wear leather skins ( deer, wild boar). They know how to make fire but they fear it ( = forest) . Weapons: Wooden sticks, spears, primitive form of bow
They don't like to leave their forests. When they want to please their goddess, they tie up a human or animal above a spring. When the wolves come, they devour the sacrifice, turning the small river red with the blood of the victim. The red-coloured water has to pass the village, so the forest dwellers know that the goddess has accepted their sacrifice and will bless them.

Buildings

Tree dwelling: Housing built below a tree. Increases population.
Hunting post: A hut covered with leaves and branches, inside is a bowman luring for pray
Shrine of the Goddess: Piles of stone and a big ritual stone for sacrifices to the water spring.
A stockage for food, skins, wood, ...
The Wise woman's hut ( contains the technologies)
The warlord's hut: where you train your tribesmen and appoint them weapons.

This post has been edited by plumo: 01 March 2009 - 08:40 AM

[Cassador_Chris]

You know, I actually had an idea for an RPG/RTS that was set in a sort of set in a quasi-real fantasy world.

The races inhabiting this world would be people like this:



and a few fanciful sentient creatures like this:

http://www.stanford.edu/dept/HPS/BodyWorks...dinosauroid.jpg

or perhaps a more intelligent descendant from a creature like this:

http://clubnintendom...ux/squibbon.jpg

As well as things like Aurochs, dodos, and fanciful "Dixon" speculative evolutionary creatures.

And places like Atlantis, Stonehenge, etc.

Just to diverge from the traditional "JRRTolkein" fantasy.

okay, well, thats sorta like your idea, right?

[plumo]

Well My idea is without the fantasy part

Indeed. It was a very interesting period we know little about. And during the last ice age many species became extinct, so adding them to the game will make jaws drop to the ground, if people imagine what roamed the earth 13.000 years ago ...

[plumo]

http://en.wikipedia....xtinction_event

On this page the animals are displayed that were removed from the earth after the ice age. Some are hard to imagine. 10.000 isn't that long ago.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Ground_sloth
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/...gemammals.shtml

This one is a must:
http://esencia21.fil...1/glyptodon.jpg

[coragus]

watta abot homo neaderthals harder to kill and stronger but weak out in the open

[plumo]

The problem is that the Homo neanderthalensis would be very boring in a RTS

They didn't construct buildings , and they perished a few ten thousands of years ago.

[Historicity]

BTW guys - its Neandertal not Neanderthal.

Need to drop the H. Read an Anthropology book.

[Cassador_Chris]

Anthropology is so interesting. I wanted to be an archaeologist, until my parents convinced me that finding and keeping a job would be tough. Doesn't mean I still can't minor in it though.

[saxguy]

shame, i to wanted to be an archeologist but yeah its hard, i wonder if theres any good jobs around that area, ya'know history and archeology, but hey i got 2 and a half years till i go to university sooo...

about the Neandertal hows bout they bieng some kind of nomad, horde style faction, or maybe a like rebel or gaia faction??

[plumo]

There is not much known about the relations between homo sapiens and homo neandertalensis.

Did they fought each other? bred in between?

[Historicity]

There are alot of theories out there about Neandertals, and the genesis of modern Humans. For sure, there might have been conflict between the two groups, but Anthropologists simply don't know. There was bound to be competition between the groups as Humans began to migrate into Europe and go after the same food that Neandertals were going after.

EDIT:

In regards to the breeding question:

As before, we simply don't know. Kotakk, an author I'm reading in Anthropology, has a map that features countries like Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon as a possible "Hybrid" or "highly interactive" zone between the two groups.

Take care guys.

This post has been edited by HistoryGuy: 20 March 2009 - 05:51 PM

[feneur]

HistoryGuy, on Mar 18 2009, 09:45 PM, said:

BTW guys - its Neandertal not Neanderthal.

Need to drop the H. Read an Anthropology book.

Got curious and took a quick look around the internet, seems like it's mainly a matter of personal choice (Though the 'th' version seems more common than the 't' version, 1.8 million results in a Google search, compared to about 397 000 for the Neandertal spelling. I know that doesn't prove anything, but it does at least indicate that it's more often spelled that way. )

[Mythos_Ruler]

The name comes from a region of France, I believe, which has a definite spelling.

[feneur]

Well, according to Wikipedia it's the name of a valley in Germany, which had its name changed when they had some language reforms in Germany. The thing is though that the scientific name Homo neanderthalensis was given before that reform, and scientific names can't be changed after the fact according to the info I saw. But sure, the valley is nowadays spelled Neandertal.

[saxguy]

As before, we simply don't know. Kotakk, an author I'm reading in Anthropology, has a map that features countries like Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon as a possible "Hybrid" or "highly interactive" zone between the two groups.

the neanderthalis actualy went that south???

[Historicity]

That's what the map shows. My professor also mentioned that they were present in the Near East.

Neandertal Range in Europe & Near East

This map is very similar to the one that is in Kotakk's book. But it still doesn't show the zone of possible interaction (which is roughly Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon).

[Brightgalrs]

This idea wouldn't be very good if it was historically accurate. A more fantasy approach would be more interesting.

[plumo]

That's why i chose for 4 tribes of homo sapiens.

The difference is in their environment and how they deal and react with it.

Neandertal is a place in Germany.

Neander - tal

Neander is a river, tal means valley

[Belisarivs]

plumo, on Mar 17 2009, 12:39 PM, said:

They didn't construct buildings

Really? I read somewhere, that their brain was bigger than ours. That at least suggests higher intelligence.

Well, I'm curious what led to their extinction. I mean what was their weakness. AFAIK, we are real reason of their extinction.

[Ykkrosh]

Belisarivs, on Mar 21 2009, 04:06 PM, said:

I read somewhere, that their brain was bigger than ours. That at least suggests higher intelligence.

The ever-reliable Wikipedia says "a 1993 analysis of 118 hominid crania concluded that the cranial capacity of H.s. neandertal averaged 1412cc while that of fossil modern H.s. sapiens averaged 1487cc". It also says the brain of a sperm whale is on average 8kg, so I'm not sure it's directly correlated with intelligence

Humans didn't even have agriculture until ten thousand years ago, yet now we have digital watches. That's far too short a time period for evolution to have had any significant effect on intelligence - the important factors are knowledge, education, technology, society, infrastructure, etc, not raw intelligence. A modern human living in the wild with no knowledge of civilisation would be as primitive as one living ten thousand years ago, since we're no cleverer than they were back then.