[av_nefardec]

Some of you may not know that TLA will have the option to display "Proper Names" of its units beneath the name of the unit.

For example, you could have a Noldorin Sentinel, and without the option it would say "Sentinel", but with the option for names turned on, it would say "Sentinel" and then right under it, a name, like "Gelmir" or something.

So the way in which you can help is to provide ideas for names for each player civ and independent civ.

We'll want perhaps 20-30 names for the player civs, and maybe 10-20 names for the independent civs. Recall that for some civs, like the Forces of Morgoth, the name of a balrog is going to be different than that of an orc. Keep in mind we need both male and female names, but more male than female, since most of Tolkien's characters were male.

The names can be from the books, and it's better that they are, but we'd prefer to stay away from really famous characters, as it could confuse people. These can be made up, but if they are, they must be properly done in an appropriate Tolkien language or real-world equivalent.

First Age of the Sun
Noldor



Sindar



Dwarves



Edain (of Bëor and Hador)



Forces of Morgoth




Independents:
Easterlings of Beleriand



Edain of Haleth



Northmen



Laiquendi



Noegyth Nibîn



Drúedain



Falathrim



Second Age of the Sun
Noldor



Nandor



Dwarves



Númenor
MALE
1. Manwendil
2. Atanalcar
3. Aulendil
4. Nolondil
5. Axantur
6. Oromendil
7. Ardamir
8. Cemendur
9. Hallacar
10. Caliondo
11. Aldalcar
12. Vardamir
13. Romendur
14. Mirendil
15. Malantur

FEMALE
1. Tindómiel
2. Mairen????
3. Yávien
4. Lindissë
5. Silmarien
6. Isilmë
7. Ailinel
8. Irildë
9. Nessanië
9. Vardilmë

Forces of Sauron



Independents:
Dunland



Harad/Umbar



Drúedain



Northmen



Mountain Orcs



ThirdAge of the Sun
Noldor



Galadhrim



Dwarves



Realms in Exile



Forces of Sauron



Rohirrim
MALE:
1. Merewald
2. Hengest
3. Ingeld
4. Bledda
5. Hildwulf
6. Dunhére
7. Déor
8. Framwine
9. Grimfyr
10. Ecga
11. Osweald
12. Onlaf
13. Gara
14. Wulfrid
15. Hana

FEMALE:
1. Cynwise
2. Aelfhild
3. Eadwine
4. Fréa
5. Lilla
6. Milthryth
7. Gerta
8. Hiltrude
9. Ethel
10. Rowena
11. Estrith
12. Ceridwyn
13. Athilda
14. Brithwyn
15. Aelfwyn

Independents:
Dunland



Harad/Umbar



Drúedain



Mountain Orcs



Bree



Hobbits



Silvan



Isengard



Wainriders/Balchoth



Esgaroth

[Sam]

We are reading Julius Ceaser in english
So I will think of as many as I can

[Sukkit]

Well, for Elves we can create our own names, probably. It's not hard, and we know the style their nomenclature followed.

For Dwarves, remember that we need Scandinavian names. Even better if we can take them out of Scandinavian literature, like Thorin, Balin, etc.

[Enarwaen]

for certain civs (both player and independent) we could make first and second syllabels (spelling?) which would be randomly chosen by the game itself

example - Realms in Exile (Third Age) springs to my mind

Thoro + ngil (Eagle of the Star)

this would make also the following combinations possible:

Thoro + ndil (Eaglefriend)
Thoro + mir (Eagle-Gem)

and so on ... hope you get my drift

that way we can make unlimitied name-combinations .. what do you think ?

[Curufinwe]

For the Noldor ... the Smith could be Curufin !!!! and the gem maker (if there is such) could be Curufinwe ....

[Halmirion]

OK...just so I can get this straight ('cause I'm slow ), we just need a bunch of random names in proper nomenclature? So "gelmir" really doesn't mean "sentinel" in Elvish; it's just a random name that we might call someone who is, for pure example, a sentinel unit?

Then sure, I'll try to come up with some. For starters, I suggest "Halmirion"

[Aldaron]

Sindar: Aldahir!

[av_nefardec]

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We are reading Julius Ceaser in english [tongue.gif]
So I will think of as many as I can

They need to be in Tolkien's languages.


All of Tolkien's elven names have a meaning.

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gelmir

Gelmir was a character from Unfinished Tales, of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin.

[Night Hawk]

Manveru, thats Michael (while my name is Michel ) in elvish (can't rember witch one tho

[Joseph_Swede]

err i'm good with scandinavian names (note the swede on the last part of my name)



[EDIT] heres a good site for scandinavian names:
http://hem.passagen.se/peter9/gram/

[Sam]

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We are reading Julius Ceaser in english [tongue.gif]
So I will think of as many as I can

They need to be in Tolkien's languages.

I just meant that I will have nothing to do but sit there so I will think of names instead.

[Joseph_Swede]

whoa were translating Caesar in Latin class, what a coincidence

[av_nefardec]

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we could make first and second syllabels (spelling?) which would be randomly chosen by the game itself

Good idea, but the intricacies of languages will make for bad combinations :/

Besides, we simply won't have enough combinations with other languages, and since the total combinations of many things is a lot greater than the total combinations of very few things, this would make some civs very unequal than others in terms of name-variation. If we simply have a large list for some and a small list for others, that's still a smaller factor of inequality than we'd have for combinations.

Come on you guys

Let's make some lists. I'm sure you can think of more names than this:

We can use names of characters from the books, but they have to be uncommon so as to avoid confusion for players. So for instance, we can use Lotho or Lobelia +(random last name!) for hobbits, since they are relatively minor names compared to Frodo, Samwise, or Meriadoc.

[Black Knight]

How about "Erunamo" Quenya (means God is my judge, or Daniel.)
Or possibly "Liacahendi" (I'm not sure how to put the elements together for a name) Keen-Eyes

[av_nefardec]

Which civ is this for?

I should probably say that the languages for the civs are as follows:

First Age of the Sun
Noldor - Sindarin
Sindar - Sindarin
Dwarves - Norse/Khuzdul
Edain (of Bëor and Hador) - Old Edainic, some Sindarin
Forces of Morgoth - Valarin derivative/Black Speech "restored" by Sukkit.

Independents:
Easterlings of Beleriand - ?
Edain of Haleth - Old Edainic?
Northmen - Gothic/Anglo-Saxon/Old Norse or similar languages
Laiquendi - Silvan - Same root language as Sindarin
Noegyth Nibîn - ? Khuzdul variant?
Drúedain - ?
Falathrim - Sindarin

Second Age of the Sun
Noldor - Sindarin
Nandor - Silvan - Same root language as Sindarin
Dwarves - Norse/Khuzdul
Númenor - Quenya, later Adúnaic
Forces of Sauron - Black Speech

Independents:
Dunland - Celtic, Pictish, Gaelic, or a similar language
Harad/Umbar - ?
Drúedain - ?
Northmen - Gothic, Anglo-Saxon, Old Norse, or a similar language
Mountain Orcs - Black Speech

Third Age of the Sun
Noldor - Sindarin
Galadhrim - Sindarin
Dwarves - Norse/Khuzdul
Realms in Exile - Sindarin (some Quenya)
Forces of Sauron - Black Speech
Rohirrim - Anglo Saxon

Independents:
Dunland - Celtic/Pictish/Gaelic, or a similar language
Harad/Umbar - ?
Drúedain - ?
Mountain Orcs - Black Speech
Bree - named after types of flowers and plants, oddly enough.
Hobbits - easy enough.
Silvan - Silvan - Same root language as Sindarin
Isengard - Black Speech
Wainriders/Balchoth - ?
Esgaroth - Old Norse, Gothic

[av_nefardec]

Rohirric names added.

[Sukkit]

For the Petty Dwarves I'd use Khuzdul, the same Khuzdul as for the other Dwarves, because Khuzdul changed very little throughout the ages, and probably in the First Age no major difference could have appeared. Only - if anything - small dialectal changes, not worth making a new list / language set.

[Night Hawk]

3th age noldor spoke Quenya i believe, when the fellowship arrive in Lorien, Fordo coudn't understand what they said so the Galadhrim have another toughe then the Noldor

[av_nefardec]

@Black Hawk - Well such names as Elladan and Elrohir are Sindarin names, and many other Noldorin names of TA are sindarin. I do not think Quenya was used for names in the third age.

The Galadhrim you must remember were a combination of Silvan elves who spoke their native silvan language, which is what Frodo could not understand, and their leaders spoke Sindarin.

[Curufinwe]

Indeed, Quenya was prohibited by Thingol because of the Kin's slaying at Alqualonde ... and the Noldor stuck to that rule except between themselves.
Knowing that Celeborn was not a Noldo, only Galadriel was, I reckon the main language must have been Sindarin within the Third and even the Second Age ... Edain for instance is purely Sindarin, as opposed to Atani in Quenya ... etc, etc ...