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The Lament For Cut Leaders
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, Apr 28 2004 06:50 PM
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#1
Black Op
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Posted 28 April 2004 - 06:50 PM
Now that we finally know what leaders will make it into the playable civs. of TLA, here you can post what civ. leaders you wished could have made it to the final cut. Who knows, perhaps they can become TLA heros someday.
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Curufinwe
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Posted 28 April 2004 - 07:13 PM
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Feanor Feanor Feanor ... and Finwe
and Miriel Serinde ... and the Sons of Feanor ... and Nerdanel ... hum ... I think I have said it all
Not Fingolfin, nor Finarfin ... tricksy they are ... yes yesssssss ....
Feanor Feanor Feanor ... and Finwe
and Miriel Serinde ... and the Sons of Feanor ... and Nerdanel ... hum ... I think I have said it all Not Fingolfin, nor Finarfin ... tricksy they are ... yes yesssssss ....
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ElfTheHunter
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Posted 28 April 2004 - 08:23 PM
You do realized Feanor is evil, right?
ElfTheHunter [Shane Mackinnon]
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The Hunter’s servants held the dark green gem,
They worshiped it as the Hunter’s Eye,
A Helm of silver-white was forged by them,
And a prophecy that murderers would one day die,
Upon the brow of Hunter’s Helm was set the Eye,
Wars and battles were fought by elves and men,
And the Eye was deemed too powerful for the open sky,
Tombs were built within the Deep, the Eye was carried to one of ten,
And there, buried for many years it shall remain,
Until the day its power, the Hunter’s Son shall gain.
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The Hunter’s servants held the dark green gem,
They worshiped it as the Hunter’s Eye,
A Helm of silver-white was forged by them,
And a prophecy that murderers would one day die,
Upon the brow of Hunter’s Helm was set the Eye,
Wars and battles were fought by elves and men,
And the Eye was deemed too powerful for the open sky,
Tombs were built within the Deep, the Eye was carried to one of ten,
And there, buried for many years it shall remain,
Until the day its power, the Hunter’s Son shall gain.
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Centurio
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Posted 28 April 2004 - 08:38 PM
Yep, just about as bad as you can get!
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Black Op
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Posted 28 April 2004 - 09:52 PM
Tis such a relief that the Enemy gave Feanor what he deserved.
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 01:18 AM
Evil and a fool
*get's a black eye from Curufinwe*
*get's a black eye from Curufinwe*
ElfTheHunter [Shane Mackinnon]
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The Hunter’s servants held the dark green gem,
They worshiped it as the Hunter’s Eye,
A Helm of silver-white was forged by them,
And a prophecy that murderers would one day die,
Upon the brow of Hunter’s Helm was set the Eye,
Wars and battles were fought by elves and men,
And the Eye was deemed too powerful for the open sky,
Tombs were built within the Deep, the Eye was carried to one of ten,
And there, buried for many years it shall remain,
Until the day its power, the Hunter’s Son shall gain.
[Wildfire Games]_{The Last Alliance}
Game Designer, Level Designer
Contact me: elfthehunter@gmail.com
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The Hunter’s servants held the dark green gem,
They worshiped it as the Hunter’s Eye,
A Helm of silver-white was forged by them,
And a prophecy that murderers would one day die,
Upon the brow of Hunter’s Helm was set the Eye,
Wars and battles were fought by elves and men,
And the Eye was deemed too powerful for the open sky,
Tombs were built within the Deep, the Eye was carried to one of ten,
And there, buried for many years it shall remain,
Until the day its power, the Hunter’s Son shall gain.
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ElfTheHunter
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 01:20 AM
And just because I agree and had my involvement with the final leader list, does not mean I do not weep for the cutting of Legolas and Beleg Strongbow... But they'll be in scenarios so that is liveable with
ElfTheHunter [Shane Mackinnon]
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The Hunter’s servants held the dark green gem,
They worshiped it as the Hunter’s Eye,
A Helm of silver-white was forged by them,
And a prophecy that murderers would one day die,
Upon the brow of Hunter’s Helm was set the Eye,
Wars and battles were fought by elves and men,
And the Eye was deemed too powerful for the open sky,
Tombs were built within the Deep, the Eye was carried to one of ten,
And there, buried for many years it shall remain,
Until the day its power, the Hunter’s Son shall gain.
[Wildfire Games]_{The Last Alliance}
Game Designer, Level Designer
Contact me: elfthehunter@gmail.com
Personal Project: Haloism LAN
The Hunter’s servants held the dark green gem,
They worshiped it as the Hunter’s Eye,
A Helm of silver-white was forged by them,
And a prophecy that murderers would one day die,
Upon the brow of Hunter’s Helm was set the Eye,
Wars and battles were fought by elves and men,
And the Eye was deemed too powerful for the open sky,
Tombs were built within the Deep, the Eye was carried to one of ten,
And there, buried for many years it shall remain,
Until the day its power, the Hunter’s Son shall gain.
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 01:25 AM
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You do realized Feanor is evil, right?
lol, Fëanor died at the very beginning of the First Age of the Sun, so what purpose does he have as a leader during that age?
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 01:26 AM
Beleg is sorely missed! As are Turin and Tuor, but they will likely be in the mix somewhere.
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Primus Pilus
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 01:33 AM
All three of those were mainly "adventurer" heroes, not large-scale kings/generals/etc. So they work best as editor heroes for scenarios and what not.
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Centurio
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 01:36 AM
Don't get me wrong Adam, I am happy with the selections, just thinking of who else may have had a chance.
Oh what about Eol! (JK)
Oh what about Eol! (JK)
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 01:39 PM
i'm missing Fuinor - buddy to Herumor. i mean how come Herumor gets selected and not Fuinor - well don't tell me - i know - it's that upstart Lord of the Nazqûl - pfff - mingled Númenórean blood they say - and smells none to clean also. i wonder how he got the job from HIM. petty boot-licker. well atleast my bud Herumor is on the list - i'm sure he'll look after our own interests here in the South. hear me Herumor? you do that - or i'll tell everyone what kind of clothes you wear under your tunic
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 03:01 PM
Hmm, hmm, don't know if you're being sarcastic, but Fëanor wasn't really evil... He was just a fool in his wisdom, full of pride and wrath, but not evil.
Back on topic now: Why wouldn't you include Fëanor and Finwë? And Olwë and the Vanyar king (forgot his name, silly me). I think all the heroes should be included in the editor, like also Eöl and Finarfin, ....
Back on topic now: Why wouldn't you include Fëanor and Finwë? And Olwë and the Vanyar king (forgot his name, silly me). I think all the heroes should be included in the editor, like also Eöl and Finarfin, ....
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'Shouldn't we send him a message and call in his help?' Erestor asked. 'It seems that he even has control of the Ring.'
'No, I shouldn't say it that way,' Gandalf said. 'Rather say the Ring hasn't got control of him. He's his own master. But he can't change the ring, nor break the power it has on others.'
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'Shouldn't we send him a message and call in his help?' Erestor asked. 'It seems that he even has control of the Ring.'
'No, I shouldn't say it that way,' Gandalf said. 'Rather say the Ring hasn't got control of him. He's his own master. But he can't change the ring, nor break the power it has on others.'
No, my name isn't wrong, it's just a combination of Mithrandir and Mithril: look and see: MITHRandI(L/R)
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 04:13 PM
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Ingwe you mean ...
and anyway, the game starts with the First Age of the Sun and Feanor and Finwe were already with Miriel in the Halls of Mandos. Olwe and Ingwe were in Aman ... and were not involved in Middle Earth ... that is why they are nnot included as leaders ... IMHO
Although I regret Feanor is not a leader, I understand the choice since he played no role whatsoever in the First Age of the Sun ... he died before the sun rose.
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Why wouldn't you include Fëanor and Finwë? And Olwë and the Vanyar king (forgot his name, silly me).
and anyway, the game starts with the First Age of the Sun and Feanor and Finwe were already with Miriel in the Halls of Mandos. Olwe and Ingwe were in Aman ... and were not involved in Middle Earth ... that is why they are nnot included as leaders ... IMHO
Although I regret Feanor is not a leader, I understand the choice since he played no role whatsoever in the First Age of the Sun ... he died before the sun rose.
David B. [ a.k.a Curufinwe ]
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Posted 30 April 2004 - 03:04 AM
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i'm missing Fuinor
I hear you
And there are so many great Númenóreans, Gondorians, Chieftains of Arnor, and Kings of the Mark....
but we have to cut somewhere!
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Posted 30 April 2004 - 01:19 PM
And probably, even those before the ages of the sun will be avaiable in the editor... we'll see
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The Hunter’s servants held the dark green gem,
They worshiped it as the Hunter’s Eye,
A Helm of silver-white was forged by them,
And a prophecy that murderers would one day die,
Upon the brow of Hunter’s Helm was set the Eye,
Wars and battles were fought by elves and men,
And the Eye was deemed too powerful for the open sky,
Tombs were built within the Deep, the Eye was carried to one of ten,
And there, buried for many years it shall remain,
Until the day its power, the Hunter’s Son shall gain.
[Wildfire Games]_{The Last Alliance}
Game Designer, Level Designer
Contact me: elfthehunter@gmail.com
Personal Project: Haloism LAN
The Hunter’s servants held the dark green gem,
They worshiped it as the Hunter’s Eye,
A Helm of silver-white was forged by them,
And a prophecy that murderers would one day die,
Upon the brow of Hunter’s Helm was set the Eye,
Wars and battles were fought by elves and men,
And the Eye was deemed too powerful for the open sky,
Tombs were built within the Deep, the Eye was carried to one of ten,
And there, buried for many years it shall remain,
Until the day its power, the Hunter’s Son shall gain.
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Posted 03 May 2004 - 09:58 AM
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Back on topic now: Why wouldn't you include Fëanor and Finwë? And Olwë and the Vanyar king (forgot his name, silly me). I think all the heroes should be included in the editor, like also Eöl and Finarfin
I'm not speaking as a team member now because, as far as I know, this hasn't been discussed, but I'm guessing we'll have some sort of hero 'model units' to be used for "lesser" characters, much like AOK didn't have a single set of graphics and animations for every single hero.
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ElfTheHunter
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Posted 03 May 2004 - 04:24 PM
Yes, I highly doubt we'll have unique models for every hero, or in which case we'd have every hero. But this must still be disscussed, so I'll shut up now
ElfTheHunter [Shane Mackinnon]
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The Hunter’s servants held the dark green gem,
They worshiped it as the Hunter’s Eye,
A Helm of silver-white was forged by them,
And a prophecy that murderers would one day die,
Upon the brow of Hunter’s Helm was set the Eye,
Wars and battles were fought by elves and men,
And the Eye was deemed too powerful for the open sky,
Tombs were built within the Deep, the Eye was carried to one of ten,
And there, buried for many years it shall remain,
Until the day its power, the Hunter’s Son shall gain.
[Wildfire Games]_{The Last Alliance}
Game Designer, Level Designer
Contact me: elfthehunter@gmail.com
Personal Project: Haloism LAN
The Hunter’s servants held the dark green gem,
They worshiped it as the Hunter’s Eye,
A Helm of silver-white was forged by them,
And a prophecy that murderers would one day die,
Upon the brow of Hunter’s Helm was set the Eye,
Wars and battles were fought by elves and men,
And the Eye was deemed too powerful for the open sky,
Tombs were built within the Deep, the Eye was carried to one of ten,
And there, buried for many years it shall remain,
Until the day its power, the Hunter’s Son shall gain.
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Primus Pilus
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Posted 03 May 2004 - 11:45 PM
It's going to be lots of the same models with different textures and different props.
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Posted 17 May 2004 - 09:01 PM
Is any of the Istari in the game as a hero unit. Please say Gandalf is! Please!
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